Alien Vs. Predator Movie

[Paladin]

It looks like this one may finally be set to go.

No cast info yet, but it's being written/directed by Paul Anderson (Resident Evil, Soldier, Event Horizon). At least the guy has some background in sci-fi, although I'd prefer to see James Cameron or Richard Donner helming it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/

One good thing, perhaps, is that this guy has worked with both Lawrence Fishburn and Kurt Russell. That'd be a formidable bit of casting if he could get them to be in it (Fishburn just because he's cool and Russell...well, the anartica setting would make for a nice homage to The Thing).

Anyway, this is General Discussion. Discuss. :D

[SoBeiT]

Ooh I really loved Predator when it first came out...seeing it on the tree branch the first time, I thought my vision was blurry. Cool movie

If they are talking about using the Predator 2 movie as part of the plot..yuck.


Alien was just cool.

I watched it again recently..good sci-fi movie.


Kurt Russell has never had any really big hit movies and he's a fav of mine anyway.
Tombstone, Big Trouble in Little China, Pollyanna (hehe).

[Paladin]

Alien was just cool.

The series peaked with Aliens though.

I don't think there's going to be any plot continuation from either series in this movie. There are noises about an Alien 5 though.

I just hope they've finally learned from the mistakes of the last two...

1) No more Ripley. Sorry, but that character's played out. Dumb of them to kill of Hicks for Alien 3, but oh well.

2) The first one was a haunted house in space. The second was an exercise in small-unit combat. Both worked, both as sci-fi and action movies. Three was a good idea with lousy execution. The close quarters and remoteness of a penal colony had potential to go back to the haunted house feel of the original, but it was ruined by MTV-editing and a monster that relied on speed rather than stealth. Four was a decent idea, but really badly executed. Ripley was completely unneccessary, and the hybrid alien/human was just plain bad creature design. Whoever designed it needed to watch Species a few thousand times before sharpening their first pencil. The rest of the idea was pretty good. You had a civilian crew (a'la Alien), a military unit (a'la Aliens...but really, really bad leadership), and a group of scientists (who not only knew what they were dealing with, but admired the aliens...kudos for Brad Dourif for doing the creepy guy like only he can, but the rest of the movie got the short-shrift cast-wise). So all the elements were there for something good, but alas, it was not to be.

If they go the route The Thing took, but with good special effects, it could be damn good. The Thing was a good idea that, like Alien Resurrection, ultimately suffered from a piss-poor monster design. Not that the creature itself was a bad idea, but it was about 20 years ahead of the special effects needed to pull it off.

As for Predator 2, I liked it. Not as good as the first movie, but it wasn't bad. It didn't have any major plot holes, and the cast was good and included Danny Glover, Bill Paxton (who played Hudson in Aliens, btw), and Ruben Blades. And really, if you were going to do a sequel to Predator, the urban setting was the way to go too.

[SFT]

Well, the good thing is my 1st edition set of Dark Horse's Alien vs. Predator comics will go up in value - yes the bidding will start on Ebay the day the movie comes out (mint cond). :lol:

Unfortunately, the three movies that director, Paul Anderson, did were all missing something - Resident Evil needed a little better plot, Event Horizon was just stupid (why were they parked off of Jupiter - you could have fired that machine up in your basement and had the same results), and Soldier (loved the idea, the cast, and the FX, but it was such a waste of talent (Kurt Russell) in a close to non-speaking role). Hopefully the script will be OK. Hmmmm. Freddy vs. Jason? Nah!

Now if it were a perfect world and I was in charge :p this is the Alien movie I would make:

Let's go back to the original movie. They find an Alien space ship (distress beacon) which crash landed on an empty planet. The Alien pilot at the controls of the ship was of a different species than the Alien monster (Alien pilot was killed by an Alien monster). What type of ship was it? Was it a cargo ship or was it a bomber? It was probably a biological bomber ship and the payload was all those Alien eggs. The evil Earth corporate scientists were trying to raise these creatures as biological weapons for the bulk of the series. Well, it seems the other Aliens (the Alien pilots species) had already done that (maybe these Aliens built the monters).

That's the background, now the premise:

Some genius goes back to that planet and if the teraformer explosion didn't destroy the Alien ship (I think the ship was further away from the colony than the 20 mile blast radius) and they check out the navigation equipment on the ship. They find the location of the Alien Homeworld, maybe a star chart of many Alien Homeworlds and then they go and visit them. You can come up with any number of plots based on that idea. Remember, the Aliens that used these creatures as weapons would be a lot more dangerous than the creatures themselves. There would be many ways to get into trouble.

[SoBeiT]

Shirley...you need to be a writer on the movie we are talking about.

You gave me the heebie jeebies with your what if!

[Inkswitch]

Alien vs Predator?

Swiss or cheddar?

[Paladin]

Well, the good thing is my 1st edition set of Dark Horse's Alien vs. Predator comics will go up in value - yes the bidding will start on Ebay the day the movie comes out (mint cond). :lol:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569715688/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/002-5074304-6544817

Let's go back to the original movie. They find an Alien space ship (distress beacon) which crash landed on an empty planet. The Alien pilot at the controls of the ship was of a different species than the Alien monster (Alien pilot was killed by an Alien monster). What type of ship was it? Was it a cargo ship or was it a bomber? It was probably a biological bomber ship and the payload was all those Alien eggs. The evil Earth corporate scientists were trying to raise these creatures as biological weapons for the bulk of the series. Well, it seems the other Aliens (the Alien pilots species) had already done that (maybe these Aliens built the monters).

That's the background, now the premise:

Some genius goes back to that planet and if the teraformer explosion didn't destroy the Alien ship (I think the ship was further away from the colony than the 20 mile blast radius) and they check out the navigation equipment on the ship. They find the location of the Alien Homeworld, maybe a star chart of many Alien Homeworlds and then they go and visit them. You can come up with any number of plots based on that idea. Remember, the Aliens that used these creatures as weapons would be a lot more dangerous than the creatures themselves. There would be many ways to get into trouble.

Somewhere the whole "who's ship was it" thing has been written. I can't remember where, one of the novels I think, but I couldn't find which one. Not that it couldn't be different in the movies, but the elephant- alien belonged to a species that was decimated by the aliens, and the survivors were intent on wiping them out. There already were aliens on the planet when he crashed there. He killed them all, but was infected and killed before he could get back off the planet. And of course, the alien that killed him became a queen since there was not one anymore. She left the eggs on the ship. Presumably, the queen died and the ship stayed there unfound long enough for the pilot to fossilize, but since there were no hosts...the eggs remained. The beacon was a warning not to land there. I also can't remember clearly if the pilot was one of many hunters or the last survivor of his species. I think it was the later.

It may have been in the original Alien novelization. It's been a long time since I've read it.

[SFT]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569715688/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/002-5074304-6544817

Somewhere the whole "who's ship was it" thing has been written. I can't remember where, one of the novels I think, but I couldn't find which one. Not that it couldn't be different in the movies, but the elephant- alien belonged to a species that was decimated by the aliens, and the survivors were intent on wiping them out. There already were aliens on the planet when he crashed there. He killed them all, but was infected and killed before he could get back off the planet. And of course, the alien that killed him became a queen since there was not one anymore. She left the eggs on the ship. Presumably, the queen died and the ship stayed there unfound long enough for the pilot to fossilize, but since there were no hosts...the eggs remained. The beacon was a warning not to land there. I also can't remember clearly if the pilot was one of many hunters or the last survivor of his species. I think it was the later.

It may have been in the original Alien novelization. It's been a long time since I've read it.


My idea is better :D and makes more sense if you think about it. Also, the pilot might mummify, but would not fossilize.

Oh, and the whole "last survivor of his species" thing is the mark of a hack writer. Anybody could've spent an extra 2.5 minutes and have come up with something a hellova lot better than that. The hack was probably making the crap up as fast as he/she could type (can't blame 'em probably a $2500 advance and .00000001% royalties on a 20,000 copy printing - the sucker probably gave away the electronic rights for free).

Personally, I think novelizations of movies and TV shows are the equivalent of bookshop spam or maybe even are a welfare program for POS hack writers. I'd give the comic book writers more credit, however I never read those either - just threw 'em in plastic with an acid free backing and boxed 'em for a decade (their plots probably sucked also).

OK. Predator vs. Alien.

Freddie vs. Jason.

Superman vs. Batman - been done to death (especially when they were fighting over a chick).

Captain Kirk vs. Spock (pong far).

Good Kirk vs. Bad Kirk (my favorite).

Jackie Gleason vs. Art Carney (don't get me started on Morey Amsterdam).

Kramer vs. Kramer.

The Odd Couple - Felix vs. Oscar - (the movie, the TV show and The Play - (good god, don't tell me some POS hack wrote a novelization of that?)).

And, of course, who can forget Bum fights:

http://www2.bumfights.com/indecline/

[Paladin]

I never said it was good...

Actually, I think the novelization was written by Alan Dean Foster. I know he did the one for Aliens. I've read some of his other books, and they're pretty good. But then, a novelization of Alien would have been written in what, 1979? I'd expect him to be better, or using a different pen name, by now.

I'm one of those people who watches a movie and then says "Damn, I wished they'd let me rewrite the script." I'm not great on coming up with characters and plots, but dialogue and making the plots make sense I'm pretty good at.

[SFT]

Poor Alan Dean Foster also wrote "Splinter in The Minds eye" (the Star Wars novel that strayed away from Lucas' storyline). He's actually not that bad. I've met him at many SF conventions. A friend of mine was talking to Foster about one of his novels and mentioned a character called "Abalamahalamatandrix". My friend said just the mere mention of the name "Abalamahalamatandrix" sent Foster into a panic. My guess is the name probably inadvertantly set off a geek alarm somewhere in Foster's brain . The type of alarm that has you immediately trying to identify all the nearest fire exits in the room. The kind of panic that starts you wondering has this geek had his rabies shot and if I were to feed him a peanut would he consume my arm up to the elbow?

I've spent the last 15 years hanging around with these geeks at Science Fiction conventions (I've been Gafiating the last 3 years - hehe, he said Gafiating) and the one thing I know for sure is they love getting endlessly caught up in all the minute details. Endlessly will they argue if an Imperial Tiefighter can beat a Vulcan Bird of Prey or if Captain Kirk can beat Captain Picard (that's easy, Captain Kirk would kick his a$$!) and if Alien would beat the Predator. Who would win? My guess is it will be a tie which would be poetic justice considering the geeks could go on endlessly debating.

BTW, in Aliens Sigourney fights so hard to keep that little girl alive and then at the beginning of Alien 3 they kill her off in the first 5 minutes. WTF?

[|Robot|Bender]

I think they killed her off because she was infected.......???