GA: The New Way?

[SFT]

I've recently noticed some other servers are adopting the same set of rules as GA (no camping the main base, no spawncamping). Is GA starting a new trend? Some interesting developments.

Sportsmanship, what a concept.

[SoBeiT]

Sportsmanship is who we are. It's a trademark :)



Stealth & Mikey are :cool:

[|Robot|Bender]

Those rules have been in place for a long time on other servers. They were just defined here. The main rule is you can attack main base after holding all flags...but peeps just aren't paying attention when they lose a flag so everyone is saying "THATS IT, STAY AWAY FROM THE BASE" :)

The only trendsetter here is Ink. And the only trends he has been setting are found in West Hollywood.....in the gay bars.....

[SoBeiT]

Bender,

In days of old there was another game (still is :P ) and on that game server we all played on, the #1 rule was SPORTSMANSHIP first, last and always.

[SFT]

The holding all flags rule is lame, because I've never seen ANY server stick to it. It's just another excuse to camp. "Oops, gee I didn't see we lost a flag", is garbage. The holding all flags rule is garbage and so is spawncamping.

[HailtheGoat]

We've been spoiled by MM and Stealth, I can hardly stand playing at other servers.
The sportsmanship and play here is the best around.

[SlothTheShovel]

We've been spoiled by MM and Stealth, I can hardly stand playing at other servers.
The sportsmanship and play here is the best around.



This must be true. Since I'm forced to play on other servers right now(I downloaded the new patch to soon :bash: ), I find myself saying "wtf" and other bad words constantly. But if I stick around long enough on the other servers, I find there are folks who want to play the good way and I type "try the gamingasylum.net. Just hope it ain't the "smacktards" that decide to try it out. The kick player vote thing in the new patch helps a bit.

[Salyavin]

The kick player vote thing in the new patch helps a bit.I've heard that because it pops up a dialog in the middle of the screen with 1.6, some smacktards are abusing it by starting kick vote after kick vote. Is that really the case?

Cheers,
Salyavin

[SlothTheShovel]

I've heard that because it pops up a dialog in the middle of the screen with 1.6, some smacktards are abusing it by starting kick vote after kick vote. Is that really the case?

Cheers,
Salyavin






I'm not sure. I can't seem to start a "kick vote". When I release the <Tab> key the scoreboard screen goes away(which has the "kick vote" option) and while holding <Tab> I can't highlight it. But somebody can because every 20 seconds(it seems like sometimes) a message pops up to press <7> for yes <8> for no (or vise versa) to kick so and so player. And it seems its usually jacka$$es being nominated for a kick.

[The_Stranger]

I've heard that because it pops up a dialog in the middle of the screen with 1.6, some smacktards are abusing it by starting kick vote after kick vote. Is that really the case?

Cheers,
Salyavin
Yes it is unfortunately. Like Sloth, I got impatient and installed 1.6* Making it easy to start votes is a mixed blessing. It has put a new form of abuse into the sweaty hands of the smacktardians. I tend to just vote no on everything just to get the new, and much more obtrusive and distracting vote announcements out of my face. That's a pity since a few of the kick votes are legitimate attempts to get rid of Tkers.

* I couldn't wait to hear those Canadian accents, but I was a little disappointed. I was hoping for more of a Maritime Provinces accent ("BAIL OOT!") and instead I got a more polite relative of generic U.S. speech. :ink:

[SoBeiT]

Coined by The Stranger - smacktardians.

[SFT]

Yes, if there is a way to abuse or exploit something the smacktards will find it.

Oh, and again, the all flags rule reminds me of being in a boxing match and getting to kick your opponent in face for the ten count after a knockout. It's cheap and I don't care if "EVERYBODY" goes by those rules. Who decided that's the rule anyway? The Board of Smacktards? If "EVERYBODY" thought it was OK to eat babies would you be putting the A1 sauce on little Johnny's arm? Spawncamping sucks!

[Salyavin]

I'm not sure. I can't seem to start a "kick vote". When I release the <Tab> key the scoreboard screen goes away(which has the "kick vote" option) and while holding <Tab> I can't highlight it. But somebody can because every 20 seconds(it seems like sometimes) a message pops up to press <7> for yes <8> for no (or vise versa) to kick so and so player. And it seems its usually jacka$$es being nominated for a kick.I read in the 1.6 release notes that if you hold Tab and then right click, the scoreboard should stay up.

Cheers,
Salyavin

[MadMikey]

I think we pretty much have the best player kick voting system of them all.

You all just tell an admin who is causing problems, and we *vote* to kick them out. Pretty straight forward, I think. :D

[Inkswitch]

I still think not fighting yourself out of your camped base is *****.

There, I said it. *****. *****. *****.

There is a line between good gameplay and *****. We've crossed it. Nobody is man enough to fight their way out of the base.

But, I will continue to admin as we have agreed. :ink:

[ElectricHead]

I still think not fighting yourself out of your camped base is *****.

There, I said it. *****. *****. *****.

There is a line between good gameplay and *****. We've crossed it. Nobody is man enough to fight their way out of the base.

But, I will continue to admin as we have agreed. :ink:


I'll just play on the other 4000 servers out there.
While you will always, not matter what, run into smacktards despite any rules, I have found that on some of the servers that let you actually use the weapons as they were intended, people will sometimes work together and use things like AA to defend the base from strafing planes so their team-mates can get out of it. Or they may have a few sneak around and take out the Artillery thats bombing the base.

Teamwork. What a concept.

[SlothTheShovel]

I read in the 1.6 release notes that if you hold Tab and then right click, the scoreboard should stay up.

Cheers,
Salyavin





Thanks!

[stapuf]

Rules are made for people to disagree with. Seems like no matter what, someone disagrees.

Good games can be found on other servers, and on GA too.

Also, during the 'fight your way out of a camped base' games, you may also find your 'teammates' jumping ship and stacking the other team or plane camping.

It is just the luck of the draw and the integrity of the players.

[freshie]

Attacking an uncappable base at any point is lame. Even if you captured all of the flags on the base, going into a base and killing people before they have a chance to arm, is retarded.

Do something productive like setting up an ambush at one of the points you have capped. Try run a mission to steal one of the enemy vehicles. Plant mines.

There are plenty of things you can do to help your team other than destroying rather defenseless spawnlings.

[Inkswitch]

I guess nobody here has ever felt the joy at having slipped out of a camped base and taken a flag. Or, of being murdered for 3/4 of the game and then coming back to win.

Bombing the main base is not retarded. It is war. Or, it is supposed to be....... There is equipment in that base that is a danger to you. Destroying it is logical.

And, there is a difference between shelling the main base or camping it. Shelling it is what artillery is for. Driving a tank into a main base and sitting on the repair pad is camping.

I'm tired of people whining about being spawnkilled. Tough ****. Your team should have played better. You are losing the match. Time for you to change tactics. Not time to whine about people using equipment the way it was intended to be used. There is only one map that I can kinda agree on: Kharkov. That is the ONLY map where you may not be able to get out of your base due to the terrain. Other than that map, the rest you should be able to slip out with no problems.

Personally, I think the problem stems from Quake-type play. Everybody wants to take a tank and go dance with another tank. That is not how you win this game. Armor should never be rushed into a base to be destroyed. It should take a perimeter position and support and defend those infantry taking it. Also, there is no defense. People all rush out to take a flag and leave the flag behind them open for capture. These are the problems with the game, not basecamping. If people defended the main base, it wouldn't be a problem. They only bitch after they can't spawn anywhere else and the game is already lost.

[|Robot|Bender]

OMG..AND ONCE AGAIN I AGREE WITH INK 100%..what is happening here?

I agree people are making a sissy game out of a hard war game. But hey, your rules are your rules...whether other servers are doing it or not. Thats why you have a choice :)

Basecamping and Good Offense seemingly have a fine line. I guess if everyone played with integrity, this "Do not even shoot at my base" rule would be moot point....

Ah well, back to the game i guess...

[StealthDP]

Yes, the idiots who abuse the basecamping thing have made it necessary to create the rule as it stands now.

The rule is set, and it is not gonna change. Like EH said, there are over 4000 other servers to play on. Or, you can fork out 150 bucks per month and have your own server where you can allow anything you want.

[|Robot|Bender]

Does that mean for $150 a month i could have a server with everyone NAKED!!! Er...and instead of shooting you just chase women around and hit on them?

i like it!

[StealthDP]

Does that mean for $150 a month i could have a server with everyone NAKED!!! Er...and instead of shooting you just chase women around and hit on them?

i like it!


You may have to pay extra for that option...

[|Robot|Bender]

damn, they always get you somehow...those bastages....

[stapuf]

I don't have any problems with artillery or planes hitting a main base - that could be like war.

However, having 5 enemy tanks in you main base (as you spawn and no protection), with some of them auto-repairing on equipment pads is totally unrealistic. Most people don't complain when they lose all the points fairly (maybe like Ink pointed out with no defense). However, when you have people that will stack teams just to win, it just isn't fun. Also, good spawn killers know exactly where to shoot as you spawn.

Couple ideas: enemy can get repaired in your base, random/moving spawn locations, massive time penalty for switching teams (like 120 second delay).


I don't think anybody would buy a game called "Custer: at little big horn. You are a US calvary man, try your luck"

or "Iraqi infantrymen in dirt bunkers of the Gulf War. You be the target".

[MadMikey]

The server admins had a discussion regarding the policy here in a private thread. At first, we (Stealth and I) provided some input and hoped that the admins could have a discussion and reach an agreement on which policy to use on their own.

That didn't happen, so Stealth came out and basically said, 'All right, here's how it's gonna work.'....and the no basecamping rule was set.

If you as a server admin, don't like that rule, fine. But either keep it to yourself, or continue the 'discussion' in the Game Server Administration forum. Don't make a public issue out of it.

To be honest, Ink, if you were an unknown player and said those things in game, you'd be kicked without question and without warning. There's no call for that. The rule is there to help make the games more even, and not allow a good heli pilot to help his team domintate the game.

If you guys don't wanna play by the rules, then by all means, go somewhere else. I don't want you or your attitude around. I grow weary of the attitude I get from players I don't even know, but to get the same attitude from GA staff members is unacceptable.

[SFT]

I did a little experiment yesterday on another server. My team had taken all the flags and I realized they were spawncamping the blue base, so I switched to the other team. We broke out and then we took all the bases back from red (El Alamain). I went to the red base in a tank and I killed and destroyed everything. I hadn't done this previously because I don't play that way, but I wanted to see what would happen. The game was over. The red team was done. You know what happened? They kicked me. And we had all the flags. They just didn't like it when it was happening to them. Now that's ***** and that's what I see out there on the majority of the servers. It's all fine and dandy when they're doing it, but when it happens to them they lose their minds. That's what I call lame.

Busting out? Yeah, I can bust out. Sissy? Whatever.

My disgust from basecamping never came from being camped, but rather from when I was on the winning team. It disgusted me to watch the rest of my team sit around and spawnkill the other team. It makes me sick. And when that happens and I see that I switch to the losing team just so I can keep an ounce of self respect.

I play on many servers just so I can keep my finger on the pulse of the online gaming and it reminds me that even rabid dogs have a pulse.

[|Robot|Tobor]

All good ideas, Freshie.

And that's a complete load of crap, Ink. Don't tell me I should sit back and be happy with spawnkilling wusses (including artillery) because my team "should have played better." I have no control over who's on my team. It's difficult to impossible to slip out of the main base on many maps - not just Kharkov. Hell, it's hard on Gazala and El Alamein, and those maps are pretty wide open. (Case in point: you can't leave the Coalition base on El Alamein because of all the planes and artillery surrounding you. You're a sitting duck. So you spend 10 minutes running to the top of the south hill, hiding as best you can, only to get killed 10 feet from the top. Esc. Disconnect.)

This *isn't* war, Ink. It's a friggin' game. If it was war, the poor suckers on the OpFor side wouldn't have a prayer. And it isn't any fun if people are trying to blow off steam but instead end up stuck on a ****ty team, being vaporized by a SCUD or Frogfoot every time he spawns.

Penalizing the good players on a team full of jackholes just makes the good players want to leave. Then you're left with nothing but smacktards and base campers to pummel with your artillery. You're telling me you feel like a man doing that? "Changing tactics" isn't an option if I'm continually killed less than five seconds after spawning. You really want to prove you're a man? Pull back and guard a base. I'll be coming to you. You want to prove you're a wimp? Line up your arty, get your planes flying overhead, and kill me as I spawn. I promise you, you're not going to get any sympathy from me when the smacktards on my team pull stupid crap on you. If you're so in love with your artillery, set it up so that you can blast one of the cappable bases, then do just that when the other side comes to take it.

And by the way - defending the main base isn't always an option, due to having a small number of players on the server. Even on this server, with the max players set so high.

[Salyavin]

I guess nobody here has ever felt the joy at having slipped out of a camped base and taken a flag. Or, of being murdered for 3/4 of the game and then coming back to win.I would agree with you if the reality wasn't that as soon as one side starts to lose badly, a bunch of players switch to the winning side so they can rack up kills too. Now the losing team is not only bereft of equipment, but they face 2:1 or worse odds. Not exactly favorable conditions for a comeback.

It would also be okay if the map was designed around it, say an escape from a POW camp and rescue. The guards have the firepower but the POWs and rescuers have stealth and silenced weapons to balance it out. But DC is not balanced for all infantry vs. all vehicle combat.

Bombing the main base is not retarded. It is war. Or, it is supposed to be....... There is equipment in that base that is a danger to you. Destroying it is logical.

And, there is a difference between shelling the main base or camping it. Shelling it is what artillery is for. Driving a tank into a main base and sitting on the repair pad is camping.Artillery is used to soften up an objective from afar before taking close combat units in to hold it. It's very effective when used that way in DC, as Mikey demonstrated a couple days ago by calling SCUD and BM21 attacks on the village flag on Eastings. However, once the objective is taken and the goal is now to hold it, artillery is no longer useful. Time for you to change tactics.

The reason that opponents and equipment continue to appear at a particular spot that is not one of your objectives is to let people continue to play the game. That you happen to know exactly where and when they will appear is a limitation of the BF1942 engine. Targeting that spot with artillery and sitting there for the rest of the game is exploiting that limitation. It has nothing to do with the realities of war.

I'm tired of people whining about being spawnkilled. Tough ****. Your team should have played better. You are losing the match. Time for you to change tactics. Not time to whine about people using equipment the way it was intended to be used. There is only one map that I can kinda agree on: Kharkov. That is the ONLY map where you may not be able to get out of your base due to the terrain. Other than that map, the rest you should be able to slip out with no problems.If BF1942/DC had better communications to allow for coordinated tactics, a chain of command with officers for determining the high level strategy and NCOs leading squads to carry out their orders, military discipline so that soldiers obeyed those orders, training for recruits to work as a squad, loyalty to their brothers-in-arms, and the Geneva Convention then I'd agree with you. Changing tactics and teamwork could actually be effective in turning a losing game around. And in a truly hopeless situation the losing side could surrender and it would move on to the next map.

But even if it was like that, I wouldn't have much fun playing. Sitting back and giving orders works in an RTS but I play FPS games for the action. As for taking orders, I get enough of that at work... DC is rec time.

Personally, I think the problem stems from Quake-type play. Everybody wants to take a tank and go dance with another tank. That is not how you win this game. Armor should never be rushed into a base to be destroyed. It should take a perimeter position and support and defend those infantry taking it. Also, there is no defense. People all rush out to take a flag and leave the flag behind them open for capture. These are the problems with the game, not basecamping. If people defended the main base, it wouldn't be a problem. They only bitch after they can't spawn anywhere else and the game is already lost.Yup, and I'm probably at the top of your list for taking a tank and go dance with another tank. It's a lot of fun. Rushing out to take a flag is exactly what armored cav is for. Using an MBT to defend a main base is a waste, and very boring if most of the combat is elsewhere. And I don't play a game to be bored. (Defending a takeable flag is more fun because the combat will soon come to you.)

I've heard that argument before that basecamping wouldn't be an issue if people defended the main base. But I've gotta ask: are you volunteering to be that defender? Even if your team has all the flags and is attacking the enemy base? Or do you just want someone else to do it while you actually play the game? What a rewarding position base defender would be... you get to sit with your thumb stuck up your @$$ while your team is winning and take the blame when they start losing (because of course you should have defended those tanks from that incoming SCUD... :p). Bleh.

Cheers,
Salyavin

[|Robot|Tobor]

Holy cow, Sal. I think your last paragraph made me tear up. As a matter of fact, your whole post did. I'd buy you a beer if you were nearby. :)

[|Robot|Bender]

i like...no wait...LOVE boobies.

And dave.

[stapuf]

Did any of you download the 'judgement day' video from desertcombat.com....it is awesome. :)

[|Robot|Tobor]

Did any of you download the 'judgement day' video from desertcombat.com....it is awesome. :)

I did, but for some reason WMP didn't think it had the right codec. :(

[Inkswitch]

I said I was gonna go with the group.

I do that.

I don't agree with the rule. I abide by it. I didn't start this thread. I see it as an attempt to vindicate the rule. I just posted my opinion. I don't see other servers going this way at all. I see the same basic rules on most servers that have been going for the past couple years.

Yeah, I think it is a ***** rule. I think people should stop whining about being spawnkilled and just tough it out. Me and EH played that way for a year before this place even existed and we never had a problem getting out of a camped base. Maybe we just play instead of bitch about being killed 10 times in a row.

Just a different approach, I guess.

But, I abide by the rule. I admin under the same. But, I ain't gonna be kicking people for bitching about it. And, I ain't gonna lie to people who ask me why we have that rule and tell them I am all for it.

[SoBeiT]

So we agree to the rules.


There, all done now......... don't stare, move along ;)

[SlothTheShovel]

Not much spam in these forums.

[SoBeiT]

here ya go Sloth... what goes with any drink?

[|Robot|Tobor]

:rolleyes Ink.

[Inkswitch]

To be honest, Ink, if you were an unknown player and said those things in game, you'd be kicked without question and without warning. There's no call for that. The rule is there to help make the games more even, and not allow a good heli pilot to help his team domintate the game.

If you guys don't wanna play by the rules, then by all means, go somewhere else. I don't want you or your attitude around. I grow weary of the attitude I get from players I don't even know, but to get the same attitude from GA staff members is unacceptable.

Just noticed this...

First..... I dominate with or without silly rules or the heli.
Second... You don't want me around?

Fine by me.

[MadMikey]

What I said, was...If you're not gonna play by the rules, then go somewhere else. If you wanna play by the rules, then by all means stick around and 'dominate'.

It's a poor attitude that I don't want around, Ink. The rules are the rules. Bashing them in public serves no purpose.

[|Robot|Tobor]

There are those who believe that being the squeaky wheel will get things changed to the way they wish them to be.

[|Robot|Bender]

Everyone should just shut up. Everyone has thier opinion, they are entitled to post them, mail them, holler about etc. But rules are rules. He follows them, so do i. Just cause i don't like them either you gonna ask me to leave?

That sucks..... :(

In America you are supposed to be able to voice your opinion without being labeled a dissenter......(whatever the spelling)

Sigh...

Oh, and btw, Tobor gave me crabs....

[StealthDP]

Hmmm... I do not see where anyone was asked to leave.

[|Robot|Tobor]

In America you are supposed to be able to voice your opinion without being labeled a dissenter......(whatever the spelling)

Sigh...

Oh, and btw, Tobor gave me crabs....

Actually, B, if you voice an opinion opposite to mine, you're dissenting by definition. That's not a bad thing. If you say the Spurs are great and I say they suck, we have dissenting opinions.

You got the crabs from Hector. I, on the other hand, am the classiest thing that's ever been in your condo. :rockon:

[The_Stranger]

People, chill out. Folks are just expressing their opinions in strong language. No-one wants anyone to split, and no-one (at least posting to this thread) plans on breaking the server rules.


Kiss, kiss.

[stapuf]

I don't think anyone was trying to censor anyone's opinion either.

Bender, it is ironic that you say 'everyone shut up' then wax poetically about free speech. :D :confused:

And what Stranger said is correct. Strong language, playing by the rules ppl in this thread.

It is kind of funny how a seemingly positive thread (to start) has spiraled into something so totally off topic.

[SlothTheShovel]

I see Jane Goodall has made an appearence.

[|Robot|Bender]

LOL!!!!

Yeah, i know stapuf, that was a silly post but it had to be done...

And Toby, the classiest thing ever in my Condo was a trio of dancers from Captain Creams......

Your waaaaaaay down the list. Your even after a drunk Scud at my birthday party..........

I think your between what my cat threw up once and what i threw up once......

[SoBeiT]

See it goes like this: give someone crabs and they never let you forget about it :rolleyes:

jeeze.....hehehehehehe.

[Blackshado]

* I couldn't wait to hear those Canadian accents, but I was a little disappointed. I was hoping for more of a Maritime Provinces accent ("BAIL OOT!") and instead I got a more polite relative of generic U.S. speech. :ink:

<-- Oot 'n aboot :D

[Zinia]

Anyone know where I can get a slightly used tank and a skull?

[SoBeiT]

hi Zinia :)


a few mins into the game and you can have your choice :D

[freshie]

As an Opposition Special Forces (read Fedayeen), I want the ability to suicide bomb. I know it's almost there, with the explosives... but it takes 3 seconds two long to pull off.

[SlothTheShovel]

As an Opposition Special Forces (read Fedayeen), I want the ability to suicide bomb. I know it's almost there, with the explosives... but it takes 3 seconds two long to pull off.




That will be in the new PLO mod along with rocks.

[The_Stranger]

As an Opposition Special Forces (read Fedayeen), I want the ability to suicide bomb. I know it's almost there, with the explosives... but it takes 3 seconds two long to pull off.
That was actually an early feature(sort of) in Desert Combat that they took out. It never really worked, so when you tried to use it your model would just kind of wave its arms and scream, without blowing up. I don't know why they removed it, possibly they got complaints that it was tasteless and/or silly.

[Salyavin]

I don't know why they removed it, possibly they got complaints that it was tasteless and/or silly.From what I've read, it had a potential smacktard factor. When the vest did explode correctly it killed the user first. Any other kills from the blast showed up as "is no more" so it could be used to TK without any penalty.

Cheers,
Salyavin

[freshie]

That will be in the new PLO mod along with rocks.

An Arab/Isreali war mod. Lol.

Relive the preemptive strike on Egypt, which resulted in the decimation of the Egyptian Air Force. That has high smacktard potential.